nato, major non-nato allies. >> i cannot confirm, but allegedly there are nine ager leaders. i don't leave all of the things that i hear or read. present company excepted. sometimes you guys say anonymous sources, but we frequently hear in the media "an anonymous white house source." we don't know who that is. some investigative reporters, not you, who will try to get information from us. it happens all the time on the hill. a reporter will say i heard you are planning a trip to the moon. i should make more logical. you are planning a trip to north korea. that reporter never heard that. he is saying "i heard," hoping because i did go to north korea or 10 years ago that i have a plan to now. or there's a rumor he heard or something like that. very aggressive reporters able to get anonymous statements and use them. >> we have our nato allies and that list includes afghanistan, pakistan. would it be smart for the united states to listen in on the leaders of those two countries? >> the test for me is whether or not leaders have a reasonable expectation that we will not try to lis